I still believe he will come back to daddy elder with the big house in aflouent Wilmslow and live rent free pretending to have mental issues collecting benefits like his sister (many other jws do that at the moment in the area) or do the impossible and reintegrate himself in the Witnesses and get his privileges back in the fast lane (being an elder's son) , these are very possible scenarios.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .
by gavindlt inhttps://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
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The JW’s thought that they could use social media to promote their brand of hatred and not expect to get blowback. Well now they are experiencing it all over the world and like a true American company, they employed consultants to right the ship. The problem is that these negative stories live on forever and when people learn about it, they are outraged as if it just happened. They will really have to pay these consultants tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars to help them. And one thing about consultants, they don’t want a bad name, so when they tell you to jump, you ask how high, otherwise they drop you. And any good consultant will tell them to drop their hated practices. And any good consultant will show them how to sell the change to their sales people. The jubilee year is a brilliant idea.
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Update on Russian ban
by raymond frantz inhttps://www.jwupdates.com/post/four-jehovah-s-witnesses-sentenced-to-seven-years-each-in-russia.
the following is an update in relation to the russian ban on jehovah's witnesses as it appeared on reuters on the 30th january .
jan 30 (reuters) - a russian court has sentenced four jehovah's witnesses to seven years each in prison after finding them guilty of coordinating extremist activities, according to a spokesman for the religious group.. .
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When I started attending a different church, my parents never spoke to me again, refused to see their two precioius grandsons when they were born and refused to notify me if a beloved family member got sick etc
Sea Breaze ,I can full relate . My parents had nothing to do with my own 2 children, and never crossed their mind to even call me me to say that my nana died 2 weeks earlier. Jws need help reprogramming by removing the Watchtower with heavy taxation and penalties if they refuse to abide by secular laws on personal feeedoms
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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024
by DerekMoors infor those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.
april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.
i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..
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By this rate, loosing 20 patreons a month , he will run out of donators within 18 months. So let's hope we see him out for good by Sep-Oct 2025. The End is Neigh!
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Sudanese JWs flee for their lives
by raymond frantz inhttps://www.jwupdates.com/post/u-n-infomercial-backfires.
the following appeared on jw news section earlier on in january:.
on december 15, 2023, an ongoing conflict between two armed factions in sudan’s capital, khartoum, spread to the country’s second-largest city, wad madani.
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The local elders try to insert themselves into disaster preparedness to make themselves seem important when the local municipality and state government already have those things under control.
that is the case most of the times
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Sudanese JWs flee for their lives
by raymond frantz inhttps://www.jwupdates.com/post/u-n-infomercial-backfires.
the following appeared on jw news section earlier on in january:.
on december 15, 2023, an ongoing conflict between two armed factions in sudan’s capital, khartoum, spread to the country’s second-largest city, wad madani.
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https://www.jwupdates.com/post/u-n-infomercial-backfires
The following appeared on jw news section earlier on in January:
On December 15, 2023, an ongoing conflict between two armed factions in Sudan’s capital, Khartoum, spread to the country’s second-largest city, Wad Madani. As previously reported on jw.org, when the conflict began in Khartoum in April 2023, many brothers and sisters fled to safety in Wad Madani, located approximately 170 kilometers (106 mi) southeast of the capital. Now, over 150 of these brothers and sisters have once again been forced to flee from the violence.
Effect on Our Brothers and Sisters
None of our brothers or sisters have been injured or killed
At least 158 brothers and sisters have been displaced. Some have fled safely to nearby cities or countries
10 brothers and sisters and a few non-Witness relatives remain in Wad Madani
Relief Efforts
Circuit overseers and local elders are providing spiritual support to those affected (= whatever that means)
Disaster Relief Committees in Sudan and neighboring countries continue to coordinate relief efforts and provide practical assistance, including food, medicine, and shelter(=basically the Watchtower is receiving free money from governmental agencies and the UN and then uses a fraction of this money to help local jws and then demand respect and appreciation)
Notably, just a week before the fighting began in Wad Madani, the East Africa branch arranged for those who had been displaced to view an Arabic-language recording of the 2023 “Exercise Patience”! Regional Convention program. (=because that's what people who face displacement need, to watch a video of a Watchtower assembly program)
Among the nearly 200 in attendance were 145 brothers and sisters who had fled from the violence in Khartoum. Many at the convention expressed appreciation for the timely spiritual food they received. In particular, those in attendance were encouraged by the feature Bible drama “Commit Your Way to Jehovah,” which highlights a situation similar to their own. In addition, seven were baptized during the convention. (= the drama portrays a family and close friends escaping displacement to a UNCHR camp for safety , the UN refugee camp is portrayed as a provision from Jehovah...yes you can't make this stuff up)
Reality Check
Far from being a provision from Jehovah which by itself as a statement is a blasphemy to yester years jw theology where the United Nations are portrayed as the "beast" of Revelation, the reality is that these refugee camps are far from safe. Refugee camps are known to be attacked by militia and are not the safe havens the Watchtower would like to portray them to be. As recently as 2021 Amnesty International was reporting the attacks on such camps is Sudan
The cycle of deadly violence in Darfur is still ongoing. It returned on 16 January 2021 with the horrific attacks on the Krinding camps in El Geneina, the capital of West Darfur State, in which more than 160 people – most of them ethnic Massalit – were killed.Just leave them alone
Instead of playing God with other people's lives in a continent that most GB members have never visited why don't you just let the people decide what is best for them. They know far better their local circumstances and they can make a far more informed decision based on them. The truth is that many Sudanese have escaped to sorrounding countries instead of relying on local refugee camps.
The cruel reality
The reality is that the Watchtower is not really interested in the lives of their faithful and at best this is a secondary consideration. The Watchtower is more interested in their access to million of dollars of support by such organisations like the United Nations and that is why they are more than happy to promote a UN policy as a drama at a district assembly.
This is one of the biggest scandals in recent years and I wish that more jws and exjws alike could see the Warchtower has been reduced from a foe to a mouthpiece for the United Nations.
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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024
by DerekMoors infor those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.
april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.
i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..
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347 please
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Update on Russian ban
by raymond frantz inhttps://www.jwupdates.com/post/four-jehovah-s-witnesses-sentenced-to-seven-years-each-in-russia.
the following is an update in relation to the russian ban on jehovah's witnesses as it appeared on reuters on the 30th january .
jan 30 (reuters) - a russian court has sentenced four jehovah's witnesses to seven years each in prison after finding them guilty of coordinating extremist activities, according to a spokesman for the religious group.. .
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after finding them guilty of coordinating extremist activities, according to a spokesman for the religious group.
Looks like they were not just rank and file they were organising meeting
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Update on Russian ban
by raymond frantz inhttps://www.jwupdates.com/post/four-jehovah-s-witnesses-sentenced-to-seven-years-each-in-russia.
the following is an update in relation to the russian ban on jehovah's witnesses as it appeared on reuters on the 30th january .
jan 30 (reuters) - a russian court has sentenced four jehovah's witnesses to seven years each in prison after finding them guilty of coordinating extremist activities, according to a spokesman for the religious group.. .
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https://www.jwupdates.com/post/four-jehovah-s-witnesses-sentenced-to-seven-years-each-in-russia
The following is an update in relation to the Russian ban on Jehovah's Witnesses as it appeared on Reuters on the 30th January
Jan 30 (Reuters) - A Russian court has sentenced four Jehovah's Witnesses to seven years each in prison after finding them guilty of coordinating extremist activities, according to a spokesman for the religious group.
Russia's Supreme Court designated Jehovah's Witnesses as "extremist" in 2017, liquidating and banning the group's nearly 400 chapters across the country. The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2022 that the ban was illegal.
Since then raids, interrogations and jailings of adherents have occurred with some regularity in Russia, which counted roughly 175,000 active believers at the time of the ban, according to the group's Russian website.
"Russia continues to shamelessly misemploy its anti-extremist legislation to ban, imprison, and at times beat and torture Jehovah's Witnesses," the spokesman, Jarrod Lopes, told Reuters by email.
Russian officials have previously denied
allegations of mistreatment or torture of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Some 790 members of the group have been criminally charged or are under investigation for their faith, with 147 sentenced last year, Lopes said.
"Russia's legal system has become a cathedral of what it hates - extremism," he said.
Religious life in Russia is dominated by the Orthodox Church, which is championed by President Vladimir Putin. Some Orthodox scholars view Jehovah's Witnesses as a "totalitarian sect."
Last week, a six-month trial against four men in the southwestern Russian city of Samara concluded with guilty verdicts and seven-year sentences for each.
The men, Aram Danielyan, Denis Kuzyanin, Sergei Polosenko and Nikolai Vasilyev, were charged based on hidden recordings of worship services and personal conversations about their faith, as well as electronic evidence which Lopes said was planted in a computer belonging to a defendant by an "FSB technical specialist" during a search.
Separately, a woman in the nearby city of Tolyatti was given two years' forced labour for the same crime on Jan. 25, the same day as the four men were sentenced, according to the group's Russian website.
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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool February 2024
by DerekMoors inhappy new year!
time to give us your vote for lloyd's fall from grace this month.. december 6th he was at 406. as of today, january 3rd, he's at 388. that is exactly, on the dot, where he was january 3rd of last year!
he's lost all gains from his begging videos and reminders and tin cup waving and etc.. so, fire up the shrooms and let us know where you think flab boy will be on february 2nd.
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361 now!!!
